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Engineer Tanking?

Discussion in 'WildStar General' started by WavE, Dec 4, 2013.

  1. WavE

    WavE Cupcake-About-Town

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    So I'm gonna be honest. I was not expecting to have such a hard on for the engineer. All the classes seem interesting, but I thought I knew what I was probably going to play. But a 3 seconds later of the first real look we've had of the engineer in carbine's recent class video and I'm hooked.

    So I was just wondering what you guys think about the fact it's a tank? This class is for sure ranged, has 4 separate and unique bot pets (2 of which can be out at a time). That's pretty weird to me, as most established mmos have only melee tanks. I, personally was planning on tanking heavily when the game comes out so I am super curious how it's going to work, and how well.

    What do you guys think it's going to be like?
     
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    Range will be interesting since apparently they move slowly during combat (or maybe just while firing) so I can't see them being purely a kiting tank. So I assume while they can fire at range, if the boss is melee then the Eng will be firing from melee range. If the boss is ranged, then the tank may stay at range.

    The Stalker will be the movement and avoidance tank.

    I also had little interest in the Engineer, but those 3 seconds were pretty badass. I'm wondering if that armor that was used in that clip is the Mark IV buff armor that all Engineers get on cooldown.
     
  3. WavE

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    Supposdely the armor in the in mini reveal was in fact their innate class ability. Also we do know at least one of their bots can tank (I'm thinking it'll be equivalent to a voidwalker tanking in WoW though).

    The boss encounter design must be kind of crazy to balance though with a ranged tank in the mix (though you could argue they're all ranged I suppose....) Just thinking about the chance I could ranged tank a ranged boss more effectively because it has mainly close range attack areas to dodge is exciting! ^^
     
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    It's likely going to be similar to the Bounty Hunter/Powertech and Trooper/Vangaurd sub classes in SWToR with Carbine twists and it's going to be awesome.
    Being able to switch between tank and dps out of combat (SWToR requires respec), and pets just makes it that much better.
     
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    SWTOR had a ranged a tank, which was lots of fun in PvP. But I'm not convinced the engineer will be a "Ranged Tank" as much as it will be a "Pet Tank" In any case, we are jumping the gun a bit after an admittedly sweet but extremely short peek.
     
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    I would imagine it works rather similar to ranged tanking in SWTOR ranged tanking. You can do aggro from range, but the mobs will to come and hug you, unless they have several ranged telegraphs. Also just because the class is apparently ranged, doesn't mean the tanking abilities are long range. The tanking telegraphs might me short to medium in range. Also I wouldn't be too surprised if the little robots played a part in the tanking process.
     
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    Knowing Carbine I bet they save that for the Engineer Dev Speak but, just guessing.
     
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    I'm thinking the "Tanking pet" will be more for PVE soloing while DPSing and while actually tanking you would use a healing bot for selfheals plus one of the other two pets.

    I know it's been said the pets will be used while tanking or dpsing, so it's just a matter of which are designed for each (since you get two out at once).
     
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    I also don't believe it will be "ranged tanking" like most people believe. The actual tank will be your bot. I personally don't believe the Engineer himself will be the one soaking up damage.

    My opinion is that the combo of taunt bot + heal bot will be the primary form of tanking. Taunt bot takes the hits, Engineer provides the damage output, and Heal bot provides minor healing to keep Taunt bot alive.
     
  10. Extatica

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    Says who?
    I'd say no it isn't, we can see the exact same gear in the class page which more means that it's a tiered gear set just like that of the other classes.
    I think it'll be a tank without any form of traps, seeing as it's a movement based game that would be very weak.

    I think the pets will give you buffs or help with a certain aspect:
    Repair bot heals a bit so you can survive longer, has an activated heal ability for you.
    Tank bot will generate extra threat for you, has an activated AoE shield ability for you.

    Something along those lines.
    This exactly:

    The range tank will be pulling agro and doing his first shots from a distance. Then if the boss is melee he still comes towards you.

    HOWEVER!!!!!

    I do see a positive thing about a ranged tank vs melee tanks. If we take a look at Stromtalon lair. Some bosses/mobs cast giant AoE spells with only a small safe zone.
    Inside that safe zone the warrior/stalker tank can't reach the boss......but this may be where the Engineer tank shines!
    He can still shoot = more threat = people can go all out! = more damage = boss faster dead = saving of the healers mana/recourse = easier job for the healer = etc. = etc.

    I also expect him to have a lot of spells like:
    Disengage (jump away or jump forward)
    Big explosion (get a nice AoE bomb with a lot of threat)
    Channeling spells (channel a nice beam so you can still move and slowing down the boss making you abel to kite the boss)
    Shield spells (some technological shields/buff to momentarily absorb or reduce damage taken)
    They also said that you can still do your job without the pets if you don't specialise in them.....

    So don't expect the engineer to be a real pet class.

    I more see it that the bots give you small bonusses for tanking, while other abilities (if specialised in it) can give you around the same bonusses (see above for which bonusses).
     
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    I've gotta say I'm more in love with the Engi than I was before, and that was a lot.... I just really hope the tank focused pet isn't our way of actually ''tanking'', I hope it is more of a tank assistant rather than a tank it's self, this would make the dps using it for soloing simply more durable and make the tank Engineers obviously much more durable.

    I would much rather have a LOT of control when tanking, such as mob positions / mob paths and of course I would be much more reliable when it comes to moving out of bad stuff than a pet, even if I do control said pet.

    As long as the tank focused pet isn't our actual way of tanking, and more of an assistant i will be extremely happy, until then it is a bit of a worry in the back of my mind though.
     
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    I'm 99.9% sure YOU will do the tanking :up: Otherwise they would never said you can even tank without pets :p (see my post above yours)
     
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    I did read your post after posting mine, wasn't there when I started writing :p

    I have faith that Carbine will do the right thing, and things are pointing to the engineer actually being the tank. I am pretty sure that is how it will go but theres just that little voice in the back of my head saying otherwise that won't go away until there's official confirmation.
     
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    Their innate is for them....''reduces damage taken during the tanking''....as they say it.
    So if the innate is only for your character.....why would he need that if he wouldn't be the tank?

    BOEM! Another piece of evidence! ;)

    *i'm here to shut that little voice up*
     
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    More evidence is good, but we know the pets scale off your own stats, and if the suit increases your defensive stats, would that not also effect your pet?

    Little voice doesn't like shutting up....
     
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    About the tanking job of the engineer they say:
    If the pet was the main tank wouldn't it be more obvious for him to tank the boss?
    They only talk about ''YOU'' and not the pet ;)
    Suggests that the pets are only to ''temporarily'' divert the enemies attention. Making it more likely the pet can only hold agro for a few seconds (enough for your healer to heal you) or for you to build agro.
    Need I say more?
    SEE!!!! The bot is just a mini-tank while YOU are the main tank!

    Scources:
    http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=33463
    http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/254867
    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/632/feature/8002/WildStar-Engineer-and-Medic-Revealed.html
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/12/03/wildstar-unveils-its-final-two-classes/

    Now go and tell that voice to stop trying to beat me :D:p
     
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    I've also been pleasantly surprised at how good the Engineer is looking. As for tanking, I'm guessing that it will be a predominantly melee-ranged affair, with the ranged abilities being useful in transition stages etc.
     
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    And that's what I like to hear, I only read the massively / zam article not the others so I didn't see those last pieces of info, Thanks chief! that settles what I'm going to be playing, there seems to be questions as to if the race lineup is right for the medic and engineer, and I hope it is, Mordesh Engineer? hells yes!
     
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    I'll be honest, I have serious reservations about engineer tanks. Anything that isnt of your typical variety, sword/board warrior, self healer type..I dont think will be immensely popular. I could be wrong, but judging from past games that tried to stray from the traditional archetypes(swtor with the powertech comes to mind)..I just think will be odd.

    Maybe Im wrong, who knows.
     
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    Let's make it:
    I'll be wrong ;)
     

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