It's starting to seem like it's not the game for very many people at all, which is more their problem than it is mine. I can just play other things. That won't keep the crafters happy at all, because plenty of crafters don't want to fight they just want to craft. If they tell crafters that they won't be able to make master level gear without participating in end-game raids then they'll just write off a huge chunk of the potential crafting market. Now, if materials come from raiding but can then be sold to crafters, who craft and then sell their wares, then that works for them, but that alone would still mean that players could just buy the endgame quality loot without having to work for it themselves. Ah, I think I get your confusion. What you're misunderstanding is that just because they say something doesn't make it so. They believe certain things about how their game will work. These things remain true until the exact second that a player interacts with it, and then all bets are off. They believe that the market will sustain their game on a subscription model, I believe that there is no chance of this, one of us will be right, but done assume that it will be them. Ask a thousand parents if their kids will end up in the gutter by 21 and very few will tell you "yes," that doesn't mean their kid will not be in a gutter by 21 (and likely the ones that do aren't form the parents that said "yes" in the first place). And they're probably right, it probably will work out great, for the Camelot devs, because they are making a very small niche product designed to be supported by five to maybe low six figures worth of players. They can win that way. Wildstar is clearly a far more ambitious game, and could not possible become profitable with only a low six-figure audience. Wildstar cannot afford to discard the majority of their potential audience, they need every player they can possibly attract. I really wish people around here would get it out of their heads that Wildstar is some tiny little niche game that can be successful on a handful of dedicated dreamers.